马克·扎克伯格：拜登政府对我的员工“尖叫和诅咒”，以审查新冠内容

马克·扎克伯格表示，文化变革的风向已经转变。 “我对特朗普持乐观态度，我认为他只是希望美国获胜。

Mark Zuckerberg, the chief executive of Meta Platforms Inc., appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience on Thursday, discussing Meta’s interactions with the Biden administration during the covid years and his recent decision to end the Meta fact-checking program.

Meta Platforms Inc. 首席执行官马克·扎克伯格 (Mark Zuckerberg) 周四出现在 Joe Rogan Experience 节目中，讨论了 Meta 在新冠疫情期间与拜登政府的互动，以及他最近决定终止 Meta 事实核查计划的情况。

Zuckerberg’s recent decision to end the Meta fact-checking program was also discussed. Zuck is just one of several tech titans who appear to have shifted to the right to side with the emerging Trump, right-wing, tech-focused movement that supports free speech, cryptocurrency and innovation.

扎克伯格最近决定终止元事实检查计划也受到了讨论。扎克只是几位似乎已经转向右翼、支持新兴的特朗普右翼、以科技为中心的运动的科技巨头之一，该运动支持言论自由、加密货币和创新。

During the conversation, Zuckerberg alleged that the Biden administration attempted to pressure Meta into censoring anyone who spoke out against the covid vaccines, an accusation that the White House has denied.

在谈话中，扎克伯格声称拜登政府试图向梅塔施压，要求其审查任何公开反对新冠疫苗的人，但白宫否认了这一指控。

“When the Biden administration was trying to roll out the vaccines they tried to censor anyone who tried to argue against it,” Zuckerberg said. “They pushed us super hard to take down things that were honestly, true. They said that anything saying that vaccines had side effects, we needed to take down. I said that we’re clearly not going to do that.”

扎克伯格说：“当拜登政府试图推出疫苗时，他们试图审查任何试图反对的人。” “他们极力敦促我们记下诚实、真实的事情。他们说任何有关疫苗有副作用的说法我们都需要删除。我说过我们显然不会这样做。”

Zuckerberg went on to allege that the Biden administration called his employees and “screamed and cursed” at them to take down Covid/vaccine content. They wanted Meta to censor memes too.

扎克伯格接着声称，拜登政府给他的员工打电话，并对他们“尖叫和咒骂”，要求他们删除新冠/疫苗内容。他们希望 Meta 也能审查模因。

According to Zuckerberg, when he pushed back, the Biden regime started investigating his companies.

据扎克伯格称，当他反击时，拜登政权开始调查他的公司。

“It was brutal,” Zuckerberg said.

“这太残酷了，”扎克伯格说。

“We had organizations looking into us that weren’t even involved in Social Media,” Zuckerberg explained. “We had the CFPB looking after us. I didn’t even know what that is. It’s some financial institution that Elizabeth Warren set up. We’re not a bank, what does Meta have to do with this? They came up with some theory and were trying really hard to make it work.

“有一些组织在调查我们，但他们甚至没有参与社交媒体，”扎克伯格解释道。 “CFPB 正在照顾我们。我什至不知道那是什么。这是伊丽莎白·沃伦设立的一些金融机构。我们不是银行，Meta 跟这有什么关系？他们提出了一些理论，并非常努力地使其发挥作用。

“I don’t know how this stuff works — is it a directive? A quiet consensus? It’s tough to be at the other end of that. The US Government should be defending its companies, not at the tip of the spear attacking its companies. The EU has fined tech companies more than $30B over the last 10-20 years. This is a EU wide policy for how they want to deal with tech, it’s kind of like a tariff.”

“我不知道这个东西是如何运作的——它是一个指令吗？安静的共识？处于另一端是很困难的。美国政府应该捍卫自己的企业，而不是站在矛尖攻击自己的企业。过去 10-20 年间，欧盟对科技公司处以超过 30B 美元的罚款。这是欧盟范围内如何处理科技的政策，有点像关税。”

Zuckerberg explained that the US Government led the attacks against their own companies which gave permission for the EU and other countries to go after US companies as well.

扎克伯格解释说，美国政府主导了针对本国公司的攻击，这使得欧盟和其他国家也可以攻击美国公司。

He said “I think that the American tech industry is a bright spot in the US economy, it’s a strategic advantage, and it should be part of the US’ strategy going forward to defend that.”

他说：“我认为美国科技产业是美国经济的一个亮点，是一种战略优势，应该成为美国未来捍卫这一优势的战略的一部分。”

Later in the conversation, Zuckerberg praised former President Donald Trump for hisدارة الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية, suggesting that Trump was more concerned with the country’s success than anything else.

在随后的谈话中，扎克伯格赞扬了前总统唐纳德·特朗普对美利坚合众国的管理，暗示特朗普比其他任何事情都更关心国家的成功。

“I think he just wants the US to win,” Zuckerberg said of Trump.

“我认为他只是希望美国获胜，”扎克伯格谈到特朗普时说道。

“At least in the US we have rule of law, you get your day in court, and we usually win, but other countries don’t have that. If the US wants to remain strong, the US has to have a role in defending their tech.”

“至少在美国，我们有法治，你可以在法庭上度过难关，而且我们通常会赢，但其他国家却没有。如果美国想保持强大，美国就必须在捍卫其技术方面发挥作用。”

And on the subject of sunsetting META’s fact checking program, Zuck said he will soon integrate a Community Notes style system.

关于取消 META 事实检查计划的问题，扎克表示他将很快整合社区注释风格的系统。

“What Twitter and X have done with Community Notes I think is a better program. Rather than having a small amount of fact checkers you get the whole community to weigh in. You’re showing more information, not less. You’re not using the fact check as a signal to show less, you’re using the community note to provide real context and show additional information. I think that that’s better.”

“我认为 Twitter 和 X 在社区笔记方面所做的事情是一个更好的计划。与其让少量的事实核查人员参与进来，不如让整个社区参与进来。您展示的信息更多，而不是更少。您没有使用事实检查作为减少显示的信号，而是使用社区注释来提供真实的上下文并显示附加信息。我认为这样更好。”