馬克·祖克柏：拜登政府對我的員工“尖叫和詛咒”，以審查新冠內容

馬克·祖克柏表示，文化變革的風向已經轉變。 「我對川普持樂觀態度，我認為他只是希望美國獲勝。

Mark Zuckerberg, the chief executive of Meta Platforms Inc., appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience on Thursday, discussing Meta’s interactions with the Biden administration during the covid years and his recent decision to end the Meta fact-checking program.

Meta Platforms Inc. 執行長 Mark Zuckerberg 週四出現在Joe Rogan Experience 節目中，討論了Meta 在新冠疫情期間與拜登政府的互動，以及他最近決定終止Meta 事實核查計劃的情況。

Zuckerberg’s recent decision to end the Meta fact-checking program was also discussed. Zuck is just one of several tech titans who appear to have shifted to the right to side with the emerging Trump, right-wing, tech-focused movement that supports free speech, cryptocurrency and innovation.

祖克柏最近決定終止元事實檢查計畫也受到了討論。札克只是幾位似乎轉向右翼、支持新興的川普右翼、以科技為中心的運動的科技巨頭之一，該運動支持言論自由、加密貨幣和創新。

During the conversation, Zuckerberg alleged that the Biden administration attempted to pressure Meta into censoring anyone who spoke out against the covid vaccines, an accusation that the White House has denied.

在談話中，祖克柏聲稱拜登政府試圖向梅塔施壓，要求審查任何公開反對新冠疫苗的人，但白宮否認了這項指控。

“When the Biden administration was trying to roll out the vaccines they tried to censor anyone who tried to argue against it,” Zuckerberg said. “They pushed us super hard to take down things that were honestly, true. They said that anything saying that vaccines had side effects, we needed to take down. I said that we’re clearly not going to do that.”

祖克柏說：“當拜登政府試圖推出疫苗時，他們試圖審查任何試圖反對的人。” 「他們極力敦促我們記下誠實、真實的事。他們說任何有關疫苗有副作用的說法我們都需要刪除。我說過我們顯然不會這樣做。

Zuckerberg went on to allege that the Biden administration called his employees and “screamed and cursed” at them to take down Covid/vaccine content. They wanted Meta to censor memes too.

祖克柏接著聲稱，拜登政府給他的員工打電話，並對他們“尖叫和咒罵”，要求他們刪除新冠/疫苗內容。他們希望 Meta 也能審查迷因。

According to Zuckerberg, when he pushed back, the Biden regime started investigating his companies.

據祖克柏稱，當他反擊時，拜登政權開始調查他的公司。

“It was brutal,” Zuckerberg said.

「這太殘酷了，」祖克柏說。

“We had organizations looking into us that weren’t even involved in Social Media,” Zuckerberg explained. “We had the CFPB looking after us. I didn’t even know what that is. It’s some financial institution that Elizabeth Warren set up. We’re not a bank, what does Meta have to do with this? They came up with some theory and were trying really hard to make it work.

「有一些組織在調查我們，但他們甚至沒有參與社群媒體，」祖克柏解釋。 「CFPB 正在照顧我們。我甚至不知道那是什麼。這是伊麗莎白·沃倫設立的一些金融機構。我們不是銀行，Meta 跟這有什麼關係？他們提出了一些理論，並非常努力地使其發揮作用。

“I don’t know how this stuff works — is it a directive? A quiet consensus? It’s tough to be at the other end of that. The US Government should be defending its companies, not at the tip of the spear attacking its companies. The EU has fined tech companies more than $30B over the last 10-20 years. This is a EU wide policy for how they want to deal with tech, it’s kind of like a tariff.”

「我不知道這個東西是如何運作的——它是一個指令嗎？安靜的共識？處於另一端是很困難的。美國政府應該捍衛自己的企業，而不是站在矛尖攻擊自己的企業。過去 10-20 年間，歐盟對科技公司處以超過 30B 美元的罰款。這是歐盟範圍內如何處理科技的政策，有點像關稅。

Zuckerberg explained that the US Government led the attacks against their own companies which gave permission for the EU and other countries to go after US companies as well.

祖克柏解釋說，美國政府主導了針對本國公司的攻擊，這使得歐盟和其他國家也能攻擊美國公司。

He said “I think that the American tech industry is a bright spot in the US economy, it’s a strategic advantage, and it should be part of the US’ strategy going forward to defend that.”

他說：“我認為美國科技產業是美國經濟的亮點，是一種戰略優勢，應該成為美國未來捍衛這一優勢的戰略的一部分。”

Later in the conversation, Zuckerberg praised former President Donald Trump for hisدارة الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية, suggesting that Trump was more concerned with the country’s success than anything else.

在隨後的談話中，祖克柏讚揚了前總統川普對美利堅合眾國的管理，暗示川普比其他任何事情都更關心國家的成功。

“I think he just wants the US to win,” Zuckerberg said of Trump.

「我認為他只是希望美國獲勝，」祖克柏談到川普時說道。

“At least in the US we have rule of law, you get your day in court, and we usually win, but other countries don’t have that. If the US wants to remain strong, the US has to have a role in defending their tech.”

「至少在美國，我們有法治，你可以在法庭上度過難關，我們通常會贏，但其他國家卻沒有。如果美國想保持強大，美國就必須在捍衛其技術方面發揮作用。

And on the subject of sunsetting META’s fact checking program, Zuck said he will soon integrate a Community Notes style system.

關於取消 META 事實檢查計劃的問題，扎克表示他將很快整合社區註釋風格的系統。

“What Twitter and X have done with Community Notes I think is a better program. Rather than having a small amount of fact checkers you get the whole community to weigh in. You’re showing more information, not less. You’re not using the fact check as a signal to show less, you’re using the community note to provide real context and show additional information. I think that that’s better.”

「我認為 Twitter 和 X 在社群筆記方面所做的事情是一個更好的計劃。與其讓少量事實查核人員參與進來，不如讓整個社區參與其中。您沒有使用事實檢查作為減少顯示的訊號，而是使用社群註釋來提供真實的上下文並顯示附加資訊。我認為這樣更好。