利率為50%。這意味著，如果你今天有100比索，明年你只能購買價值50比索的商品。所以，阿根廷人非常渴望找到資產保值的方法。

本集播客是 Colin Wu 與以太坊共同創辦人 Vitalik Buterin 對話的第一部分。

inflation rate of 100%. This means that if you have 100,000 pesos today, by next year, it will only be worth 50,000 pesos. In this situation, people do not trust the government or the currency, and they are looking for other ways to preserve their wealth.

通貨膨脹率為100%。這意味著，如果你今天有 10 萬比索，到明年，它就只剩下 5 萬比索了。在這種情況下，人們不信任政府或貨幣，他們正在尋找其他方法來保存他們的財富。

Many people in Argentina are now using cryptocurrencies, and I have also noticed that many people in Ukraine are now using cryptocurrencies. This is because when centralized institutions fail, people naturally turn to decentralized technologies like blockchain.

阿根廷現在有很多人在使用加密貨幣，我也注意到烏克蘭現在有很多人在使用加密貨幣。這是因為當中心化機構失敗時，人們自然會轉向區塊鏈等去中心化技術。

So I think blockchain is the only thing worth trusting; it's not that I trust the U.S. or China more. I think that in places where centralized powers are weaker, blockchain can play a bigger role.

所以我認為區塊鏈是唯一值得信任的；並不是說我比較信任美國或中國。我認為在中心化權力較弱的地方，區塊鏈可以發揮更大的作用。

After the Russia-Ukraine war started, I began paying more attention to the news and realized that this event has greatly changed me. Before the war, I was mainly concerned with technical issues and rarely paid attention to politics. But after the war started, I realized that there were many problems in the world that I had not noticed before.

俄烏戰爭爆發後，我開始更關注新聞，意識到這事件大大改變了我。戰前，我主要關心技術問題，很少關注政治。但戰爭開始後，我意識到世界上有很多我以前沒有註意到的問題。

For example, before the war, I thought that centralized institutions were generally good and that they could solve many problems. But after the war started, I realized that centralized institutions can also cause many problems and that people need decentralized technologies like blockchain to protect themselves from centralized institutions.

例如，在戰前，我認為中央集權機構總體上是好的，可以解決很多問題。但戰爭開始後，我意識到中心化機構也會造成許多問題，人們需要像區塊鏈這樣的去中心化技術來保護自己免受中心化機構的侵害。

I also realized that there are many problems in the world that I had not noticed before. For example, before the war, I thought that the world was becoming increasingly globalized and that people were becoming increasingly connected. But after the war started, I realized that there are still many barriers between people in the world and that people in different countries still have very different understandings of the world.

我也意識到世界上有很多我以前沒有註意到的問題。例如，在戰前，我認為世界正在變得越來越全球化，人們的連結也越來越緊密。但戰爭開始後，我意識到世界上人與人之間仍然存在著許多隔閡，不同國家的人對世界的理解仍然有很大不同。

These problems are very important, and I think that people in the blockchain industry should pay more attention to them and use blockchain technology to solve these problems.output: Author: Colin Wu

這些問題非常重要，我認為區塊鏈產業的人應該更加關注它們，並利用區塊鏈技術來解決這些問題。

This episode of the podcast is the second part of Colin Wu's conversation with Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin. They mainly discussed the following topics: the differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum supporters, the reasons for the failure of BCH, the cultural differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum, the importance of recognizing Ethereum as a world computer, the reasons why blockchain is the only thing worth trusting, and how the Russia-Ukraine war has greatly changed Vitalik himself.

本集播客是 Colin Wu 與以太坊共同創辦人 Vitalik Buterin 對話的第二部分。他們主要討論了以下主題：比特幣和以太坊支持者之間的差異、BCH失敗的原因、比特幣和以太坊之間的文化差異、承認以太坊作為世界電腦的重要性、區塊鏈是唯一有價值的東西的原因信任，以及俄羅斯和烏克蘭的戰爭如何極大地改變了維塔利克本人。

It should be noted that Vitalik was interviewed in Chinese, which is not his native language, so some expressions may not be entirely accurate; readers are encouraged to be understanding. The audio record was generated by GPT, so there may be some errors. Please listen to the complete podcast.

需要注意的是，Vitalik 受訪時使用的是中文，這不是他的母語，因此某些表述可能並不完全準確；鼓勵讀者理解。音訊記錄是由GPT產生的，因此可能存在一些錯誤。請收聽完整的播客。

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Recalling BCH: The Ideal of Large Blocks is Correct, but Execution Capability is Insufficient

回顧BCH：大區塊的理想是正確的，但執行能力不足

Colin: The next question I want to discuss with you is that I remember you were quite supportive of large blocks in the Bitcoin block size debate. BCH was born in 2017, bringing this dispute to a peak. You recently wrote an article mentioning that you have had many new thoughts on this issue, believing that the failure of large blocks may be due to insufficient technical capability and execution ability, as well as the emergence of fraudsters like Craig Wright. Can you recall your interactions with Wu Jihan, Roger, and others at that time? What are your new thoughts on this matter now?

Colin：我想與您討論的下一個問題是，我記得您在比特幣區塊大小辯論中非常支持大區塊。 2017年BCH的誕生，將這場爭議推向了頂峰。您最近寫了一篇文章，提到您對這個問題有了很多新的思考，認為大區塊的失敗可能是由於技術能力和執行能力不足，以及像Craig Wright這樣的詐欺者的出現。您還記得當時您與吳忌寒、羅傑等人的互動嗎？現在您對這件事有什麼新的想法？

Vitalik: This is indeed an interesting question. Unfortunately, my Chinese wasn't good enough at that time, so I didn't have the opportunity to deeply understand Wu Jihan and other miners who supported large blocks. I didn't have the chance to really understand their personalities, why they supported large blocks, and what their vision for Bitcoin was.

Vitalik：這確實是一個有趣的問題。可惜當時我的中文還不夠好，所以沒有機會深入了解吳忌寒等支持大區塊的礦工。我沒有機會真正了解他們的個性，為什麼他們會支持大區塊，以及他們對比特幣的願景是什麼。

Roger Ver is relatively straightforward; he is not the kind of "scholar type" who reads a lot of books or writes articles. He is a more practical person who knows that the value of Bitcoin lies in its existence as a new currency. If a currency is to be used for payments, it needs enough block space to support a large number of transactions. Therefore, his viewpoint is quite simple and direct.

Roger Ver 相對簡單；他不是那種讀大量書或寫文章的「學者型」。他是個比較務實的人，知道比特幣的價值在於它作為一種新貨幣的存在。如果一種貨幣要用於支付，它需要足夠的區塊空間來支援大量的交易。因此，他的觀點非常簡單、直接。

On the other hand, some who lean more towards the "academic type" often think about longer-term issues and explore things that others are unwilling to consider. These thoughtful individuals can sometimes bring very important ideas to the world; without them, we might make bigger mistakes.

另一方面，一些更傾向於「學術型」的人往往會思考更長遠的問題，探索別人不願意考慮的事情。這些有思想的人有時可以為世界帶來非常重要的想法；沒有他們，我們可能會犯下更大的錯誤。

But sometimes they can also get lost in their own world, lacking sufficient contact with the realities of the outside world. This is similar to how some people criticize our Ethereum core developers, asking how many smart contracts they have participated in or how many DApps they have written. Similar situations arise in many fields, especially in blockchain

但有時他們也會迷失在自己的世界中，缺乏與外在現實的充分接觸。這類似於有些人批評我們以太坊核心開發者，問他們參與了多少智能合約或寫了多少DApp。類似的情況在許多領域都有出現，特別是在區塊鏈領域