利率为50%。这意味着，如果你今天有100比索，明年你只能购买价值50比索的商品。所以，阿根廷人非常渴望找到资产保值的方法。 输出：标题：回忆中国：万向或许拯救了以太坊的生命，碧湖的深刻记忆

本期播客是 Colin Wu 与以太坊联合创始人 Vitalik Buterin 对话的第一部分。

inflation rate of 100%. This means that if you have 100,000 pesos today, by next year, it will only be worth 50,000 pesos. In this situation, people do not trust the government or the currency, and they are looking for other ways to preserve their wealth.

通货膨胀率为100%。这意味着，如果你今天有 100,000 比索，到明年，它就只剩下 50,000 比索了。在这种情况下，人们不信任政府或货币，他们正在寻找其他方法来保存他们的财富。

Many people in Argentina are now using cryptocurrencies, and I have also noticed that many people in Ukraine are now using cryptocurrencies. This is because when centralized institutions fail, people naturally turn to decentralized technologies like blockchain.

阿根廷现在有很多人在使用加密货币，我也注意到乌克兰现在有很多人在使用加密货币。这是因为当中心化机构失败时，人们自然会转向区块链等去中心化技术。

So I think blockchain is the only thing worth trusting; it's not that I trust the U.S. or China more. I think that in places where centralized powers are weaker, blockchain can play a bigger role.

所以我认为区块链是唯一值得信任的；并不是说我更信任美国或中国。我认为在中心化权力较弱的地方，区块链可以发挥更大的作用。

After the Russia-Ukraine war started, I began paying more attention to the news and realized that this event has greatly changed me. Before the war, I was mainly concerned with technical issues and rarely paid attention to politics. But after the war started, I realized that there were many problems in the world that I had not noticed before.

俄乌战争爆发后，我开始更加关注新闻，意识到这一事件极大地改变了我。战前，我主要关心技术问题，很少关注政治。但战争开始后，我意识到世界上有很多我以前没有注意到的问题。

For example, before the war, I thought that centralized institutions were generally good and that they could solve many problems. But after the war started, I realized that centralized institutions can also cause many problems and that people need decentralized technologies like blockchain to protect themselves from centralized institutions.

例如，在战前，我认为中央集权机构总体上是好的，可以解决很多问题。但战争开始后，我意识到中心化机构也会造成很多问题，人们需要像区块链这样的去中心化技术来保护自己免受中心化机构的侵害。

I also realized that there are many problems in the world that I had not noticed before. For example, before the war, I thought that the world was becoming increasingly globalized and that people were becoming increasingly connected. But after the war started, I realized that there are still many barriers between people in the world and that people in different countries still have very different understandings of the world.

我也意识到世界上有很多我以前没有注意到的问题。例如，在战前，我认为世界正在变得越来越全球化，人们的联系也越来越紧密。但战争开始后，我意识到世界上人与人之间仍然存在很多隔阂，不同国家的人对世界的理解仍然有很大不同。

These problems are very important, and I think that people in the blockchain industry should pay more attention to them and use blockchain technology to solve these problems.output: Author: Colin Wu

这些问题非常重要，我认为区块链行业的人应该更加关注它们，并利用区块链技术来解决这些问题。输出：作者：Colin Wu

This episode of the podcast is the second part of Colin Wu's conversation with Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin. They mainly discussed the following topics: the differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum supporters, the reasons for the failure of BCH, the cultural differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum, the importance of recognizing Ethereum as a world computer, the reasons why blockchain is the only thing worth trusting, and how the Russia-Ukraine war has greatly changed Vitalik himself.

本期播客是 Colin Wu 与以太坊联合创始人 Vitalik Buterin 对话的第二部分。他们主要讨论了以下话题：比特币和以太坊支持者之间的差异、BCH失败的原因、比特币和以太坊之间的文化差异、承认以太坊作为世界计算机的重要性、区块链是唯一有价值的东西的原因信任，以及俄罗斯和乌克兰的战争如何极大地改变了维塔利克本人。

It should be noted that Vitalik was interviewed in Chinese, which is not his native language, so some expressions may not be entirely accurate; readers are encouraged to be understanding. The audio record was generated by GPT, so there may be some errors. Please listen to the complete podcast.

需要注意的是，Vitalik 接受采访时使用的是中文，这不是他的母语，因此某些表述可能并不完全准确；鼓励读者理解。音频记录是由GPT生成的，因此可能存在一些错误。请收听完整的播客。

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Recalling BCH: The Ideal of Large Blocks is Correct, but Execution Capability is Insufficient

回顾BCH：大区块的理想是正确的，但执行能力不足

Colin: The next question I want to discuss with you is that I remember you were quite supportive of large blocks in the Bitcoin block size debate. BCH was born in 2017, bringing this dispute to a peak. You recently wrote an article mentioning that you have had many new thoughts on this issue, believing that the failure of large blocks may be due to insufficient technical capability and execution ability, as well as the emergence of fraudsters like Craig Wright. Can you recall your interactions with Wu Jihan, Roger, and others at that time? What are your new thoughts on this matter now?

Colin：我想与您讨论的下一个问题是，我记得您在比特币区块大小辩论中非常支持大区块。 2017年BCH的诞生，将这场争议推向了顶峰。您最近写了一篇文章，提到您对这个问题有了很多新的思考，认为大区块的失败可能是由于技术能力和执行能力不足，以及像Craig Wright这样的欺诈者的出现。您还记得当时您与吴忌寒、罗杰等人的互动吗？现在您对这件事有什么新的想法？

Vitalik: This is indeed an interesting question. Unfortunately, my Chinese wasn't good enough at that time, so I didn't have the opportunity to deeply understand Wu Jihan and other miners who supported large blocks. I didn't have the chance to really understand their personalities, why they supported large blocks, and what their vision for Bitcoin was.

Vitalik：这确实是一个有趣的问题。可惜当时我的中文还不够好，所以没有机会深入了解吴忌寒等支持大区块的矿工。我没有机会真正了解他们的个性，为什么他们支持大区块，以及他们对比特币的愿景是什么。

Roger Ver is relatively straightforward; he is not the kind of "scholar type" who reads a lot of books or writes articles. He is a more practical person who knows that the value of Bitcoin lies in its existence as a new currency. If a currency is to be used for payments, it needs enough block space to support a large number of transactions. Therefore, his viewpoint is quite simple and direct.

Roger Ver 相对简单；他不是那种读大量书或写文章的“学者型”。他是一个比较务实的人，知道比特币的价值在于它作为一种新货币的存在。如果一种货币要用于支付，它需要足够的区块空间来支持大量的交易。因此，他的观点非常简单、直接。

On the other hand, some who lean more towards the "academic type" often think about longer-term issues and explore things that others are unwilling to consider. These thoughtful individuals can sometimes bring very important ideas to the world; without them, we might make bigger mistakes.

另一方面，一些更倾向于“学术型”的人往往会思考更长远的问题，探索别人不愿意考虑的事情。这些有思想的人有时可以给世界带来非常重要的想法；没有他们，我们可能会犯更大的错误。

But sometimes they can also get lost in their own world, lacking sufficient contact with the realities of the outside world. This is similar to how some people criticize our Ethereum core developers, asking how many smart contracts they have participated in or how many DApps they have written. Similar situations arise in many fields, especially in blockchain

但有时他们也会迷失在自己的世界中，缺乏与外界现实的充分接触。这类似于有些人批评我们以太坊核心开发者，问他们参与了多少智能合约或者写了多少DApp。类似的情况在很多领域都有出现，特别是在区块链领域