在以太坊的身份危机中，Etherealize的目标是将ETH带到华尔街

它的本地令牌Ether（ETH）的表现不佳，并且长期建造者开始质疑该连锁技术是否落后于

Former banker Vivek Raman founded Etherealize to bridge the gap between traditional finance and Ethereum, positioning ETH as a serious asset class.

前银行家维维克·拉曼（Vivek Raman）创立了自动化的，以弥合传统金融和以太坊之间的差距，将ETH定位为严肃的资产类别。

In this interview with CoinDesk, Raman discusses his journey into crypto, how Etherealize is marketing ETH to Wall Street, the role of the Ethereum Foundation and how banks view layer-2 rollups.

在接受Coindesk的这次采访中，拉曼讨论了他进入加密货币的旅程，以太坊基金会的角色以及银行如何看待2层汇总的角色，货币化是如何销售的。

This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.

为了简洁和清晰，对这次采访进行了编辑。

CoinDesk: You've had all this experience in traditional finance, and you call yourself a newcomer to the Ethereum world. Walk me through how you got into crypto, what was that moment?

Coindesk：您在传统金融方面都有所有这些经验，您称自己为以太坊世界的新手。引导我完成您进入加密货币的方式，那一刻是什么？

Raman: I was a trader at four banks, trading the most archaic, esoteric products — high-yield bonds, distressed bonds, leveraged loans and credit default swaps and stuff. These are all the backbone of the economy, but I saw how inefficient they are.

拉曼：我是四家银行的商人，交易最古老的深奥产品 - 高收益债券，不良债券，杠杆贷款和信用违约掉期以及其他东西。这些都是经济的骨干，但我看到它们效率低下。

When you watch the movie Wall Street, and you see everything traded on the phone, you're like, “Oh, maybe the system's upgraded,” But it hasn't. It still trades like that.

当您观看电影《华尔街》时，您会看到电话在电话上交易时，就像“哦，也许已经升级了系统”，但事实并非如此。它仍然是这样的。

I saw that for 10 years. I lived it. And I'm very lucky because I built a really good network, I have all these amazing mentors, all these people that ran banks and ran desks.

我看到了十年。我住了。我很幸运，因为我建立了一个非常好的网络，我都有所有这些了不起的导师，所有这些经营银行和桌子的人。

But after 10 years, the technological pace of Wall Street was not evolving at all, and I was like, "Let me find something else."

但是10年后，华尔街的技术速度根本没有发展，我当时想，“让我找到其他东西。”

Right when I left Wall Street, I went to Austin, Texas, and I serendipitously met some of the Ethereum core developers on the research and development team. They were working on the Merge, and they taught me about Ethereum.

就在我离开华尔街时，我去了德克萨斯州的奥斯汀，我偶然地遇到了研发团队中的一些以太坊核心开发人员。他们正在合并工作，他们教我有关以太坊的知识。

While I was on Wall Street, it was very anti-crypto because of the regulators. The "adoption moment" wasn't even close for the 10 years I was there. But when I found Ethereum, I realized that this was the answer for Wall Street.

当我在华尔街上时，由于监管机构，这是非常反克雷托的。我在那里的十年中，“收养时刻”甚至没有接近。但是当我找到以太坊时，我意识到这是华尔街的答案。

CoinDesk: There are different components to Etherealize, right? Where does the "marketing" part come in?

COINDESK：有不同的组件可以空灵，对吗？ “营销”部分在哪里？

Raman: So it's three interrelated things.

拉曼：这是三个相互关联的事情。

The first thing is that everyone uses Ethereum; Ethereum is the most-adopted smart contract platform. Bitcoiners just talk about bitcoins — probably because there's not much utility, so all you can do is talk about it.

首先是每个人都使用以太坊。以太坊是最具装备的智能合同平台。比特币人只是谈论比特币 - 可能是因为没有太多实用程序，所以您所能做的就是谈论它。

It's almost like with Ethereum, there's so much utility that no one actually talks about the ETH asset. But the asset is very important to the ecosystem; for better or worse, people use the asset as a proxy for ecosystem health. Part of the reason why I think Solana has so much of the limelight isn't because it's necessarily the best technology; it's because the token went up a lot.

几乎就像以太坊一样，有太多的效用，没有人真正谈论ETH资产。但是资产对生态系统非常重要。无论好坏，人们都将资产用作生态系统健康的代理。我认为Solana拥有如此多的众人瞩目的部分原因并不是因为它一定是最好的技术。这是因为令牌上升了很多。

So the first thing is to talk about ether as an asset — as a portfolio diversifier, as something that's complementary to bitcoin — and to provide that content, research and marketing to ETF issuers, to the broader public and to institutions.

因此，首先要说的是将Ether作为一种资产 - 作为投资组合多样性，是对比特币的补充，并将其内容，研究和营销向ETF发行人提供给更广泛的公众和机构。

The second is that Ethereum is obviously a utility platform. It's this new financial internet; they call it "the operating system for the financial economy." So we teach about Ethereum as a platform and what you can do with it: You can tokenize assets. You can build layer-2 ecosystems, where banks can actually have their own networksand can customize them to bring their customers on-chain. 

第二个是以太坊显然是一个实用平台。这是新的金融互联网；他们称其为“金融经济的操作系统”。因此，我们将以太坊作为一个平台以及您可以使用的方式教授：您可以将资产引用。您可以构建第2层生态系统，银行实际上可以拥有自己的网络，并且可以自定义它们以将客户带到链上。

And then, third, we actually try to give a call to action. The call to action is to tokenize assets on Ethereum or build a layer 2 on Ethereum, and we're building a product suite to actually facilitate Wall Street trading on the Ethereum blockchain.

然后，第三，我们实际上试图发出诉讼。行动呼吁是在以太坊上对资产进行标记或在以太坊上建造第2层，我们正在建立一个产品套件，以实际促进以太坊区块链上的华尔街交易。

CoinDesk: Ethereum is experiencing an identity crisis. Its price is lagging far behind other cryptocurrencies, the Ethereum Foundation is undergoing a shake-up, and crypto community members are voicing their disagreements about Vitalik Buterin's central role in the ecosystem. Etherealize is coming to fruition at a moment when the ecosystem probably needs a marketing or advocacy arm. Is Wall Street the savior for Ethereum?

Coindesk：以太坊正在遇到身份危机。它的价格远远落后于其他加密货币，以太坊基金会正在进行重大调整，而加密社区成员对维塔利克·布特林在生态系统中的核心作用表达了他们的分歧。在生态系统可能需要营销或倡导部门的那一刻，Etherealize即将实现。华尔街是以太坊的救星吗？

Raman: I don't think it's a silver bullet. The Ethereum Foundation shouldn't have to do everything, and Vitalik shouldn't have to do everything. Research and development — and the high-level, cutting-edge strategy and roadmap to future-proof Ethereum for the next 100 years — that's Vitalik's job.

拉曼：我不认为这是银色子弹。以太坊基金会不必做所有事情，而Vitalik不必做所有事情。研究与发展 - 未来100年的高级，尖端战略和路线图与未来的以太坊 - 这是Vitalik的工作。

Whose role is it to talk about these ecosystems? It's the application layer. It’s institutions like Etherealize.

谈论这些生态系统是谁的角色？这是应用层。它是像空灵这样的机构。

The problem is that once the Overton window shifted from regulatory attacks to regulatory acceptance, the other layer-1 ecosystems, which have very centralized and centrally planned companies behind them, picked up mind share and marketing market share. But ultimately, the best of the best is Vitalik — the best of the best is the EF researchers.

问题在于，一旦Overton窗口从监管攻击转变为监管接受，其他第1层生态系统（在其背后都有非常集中且中心计划的公司，就可以掌握思维份额和营销市场份额。但是最终，最好的是Vitalik - 最好的是EF研究人员。

I spent years developing this business plan, figuring out when the right time to strike was

我花了数年的时间制定了这个业务计划，弄清楚何时合适的罢工时间是