随着无数加密项目尴尬地向AI枢转，埃里克·温伯（Eric Winer）一直在建造桥梁已有十多年了

在无数的加密项目尴尬地转向人工智能的时候

At a time when countless crypto projects are awkwardly pivoting toward artificial intelligence, Eric Winer has spent over a decade building bridges between cutting-edge technology and everyday users. Now, as CTO of NEAR AI, he's pursuing a vision where AI agents negotiate, communicate and transact on our behalf – a vision that could fundamentally reshape how we interact with the digital world.

在无数的加密项目尴尬地转向人工智能的时候，埃里克·温伯（Eric Winer）花了十年的时间在尖端技术和日常用户之间建造桥梁。现在，作为AI附近的首席技术官，他正在追求一个愿景，AI代理代表我们代表我们进行谈判，交流和交易 - 这种愿景可以从根本上重塑我们与数字世界的互动方式。

Winer speaks with the measured enthusiasm of someone who has repeatedly been early to technological revolutions. Having joined the Winklevoss twins as Gemini's first engineer in 2013 and helped launch one of the earliest NFT marketplaces before the term “NFT” became commonplace, he now confronts what may be his most ambitious challenge: creating a decentralized ecosystem of AI agents that preserves user sovereignty in an increasingly AI-mediated future.

酿酒师以一再对技术革命的早期进行的衡量热情讲话。他在2013年加入Winklevoss双胞胎作为双子座的第一任工程师，并在“ NFT”一词变得司空见惯之前帮助推出了最早的NFT市场之一，他现在面对了他最雄心勃勃的挑战：创建AI代理的分散生态系统，以维持越来越多的AI ai ei ei ei ei-ei-Med Ideced的未来。

Eric Winer is a speaker at Consensus 2025. This interview has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

埃里克·温伯（Eric Winer）是2025年共识的发言人。这次采访经过了凝结和轻微的编辑，以清晰地进行。

CoinDesk: You've been in crypto for over a decade now. How did that journey lead you to focusing on AI?

COINDESK：您已经在加密货币中已经有十多年了。这段旅程是如何导致您专注于AI的？

Eric Winer: I've been in the crypto world for 11 years now. Eleven years ago I met the Winklevoss twins through mutual acquaintances. They hired me as the first engineer at Gemini, which was the first regulated Bitcoin exchange in America at the time. Our mission from the CEO was to take this fantastic blockchain technology (really just Bitcoin at the time) and apply some grown-up engineering around it so that it could be effectively adopted by institutions, governments, and people broadly.

埃里克·温纳（Eric Winer）：我在加密货币世界已经有11年了。十一年前，我通过相互熟人遇到了Winklevoss双胞胎。他们聘请了我担任双子座的第一任工程师，这是当时美国第一次受监管的比特币交易所。首席执行官我们的任务是采用这种出色的区块链技术（当时实际上只是比特币），并在其周围应用一些成年工程，以便该机构，政府和人员可以有效地采用它。

Back in 2013-2014, Coinbase was around, but it was kind of a rinky-dink Silicon Valley startup at a time before there was really much of a fintech culture even in California. So it wasn't particularly well-built. We were building Gemini in New York City with people who knew how money worked and trying to build not just for cryptography enthusiasts, but for the masses.

早在2013 - 2014年，Coinbase就在附近，但在一次确实有很多金融科技文化的时候，这是一家富有的硅谷初创公司。因此，它不是特别构建的。我们正在纽约市建立双子座，他们知道钱是如何工作的，不仅是为加密爱好者而努力，还为群众建造。

I've always been trying to get blockchain technology over the adoption barrier to reach a place where people would be using it, perhaps under the hood, to make the world more efficient and give people more sovereignty, even if they don't know it.

我一直在试图在采用障碍物上获得区块链技术，以达到人们将使用它（也许是在引擎盖下）来提高世界效率并为人们提供更高主权的地方，即使他们不知道它。

CoinDesk: And that led you to NFTs before most people had even heard the term, right?

Coindesk：这使您在大多数人甚至听到这个词之前就进入了NFT，对吗？

Eric Winer: Within Gemini, we acquired a company called Nifty Gateway, which was basically the third NFT startup after OpenSea and CryptoKitties. We launched what was the first NFT marketplace targeted at "normies" in March 2020. It ended up growing by about 1000% month over month for a few months, going from selling a thousand dollars of NFTs to selling a hundred million dollars of NFTs in a day.

埃里克·温纳（Eric Winer）：在双子座内，我们收购了一家名为Nifty Gateway的公司，这基本上是仅次于Opensea和Cryptokitties的第三家NFT初创公司。我们在2020年3月推出了针对“规范”的第一个NFT市场。几个月以来，它的月份增长了约1000％，从出售一千美元的NFT到每天出售一亿美元的NFT。

This exposed a lot of people to the world of collectibles and art online, right in the middle of the pandemic. From there they got bit by the NFT bug and then by the crypto bug, bringing them into the blockchain ecosystem as a whole.

这使很多人接触到大流行中心的收藏品和艺术世界。从那里开始，他们被NFT错误咬伤了，然后被加密错误带入了整个区块链生态系统。

Personally, I think the promise of NFTs got unfortunately co-opted by the crypto and speculation crowd. Nifty Gateway never used the term "NFT" on its website or in its materials when it launched. We fought against that even becoming what it was called. NFT is just a thing, but online. We were selling art, selling tickets. Having to assign a technical moniker and put that into the public, I think, was actually counterproductive at the end of the day.

就个人而言，我认为不幸的是，NFT的承诺得到了加密货币和投机群众的选择。 Nifty Gateway在启动时从未在其网站或材料上使用“ NFT”一词。我们与之抗争，甚至成为所谓的。 NFT只是一回事，但是在线。我们在卖艺术品，出售门票。我认为，必须分配一个技术绰号并将其投入公众，实际上在一天结束时反应适得其反。

CoinDesk: Many crypto projects seem to be awkwardly pivoting toward AI without a clear vision. What makes NEAR AI's approach different?

Coindesk：许多加密项目似乎尴尬地向AI旋转，没有明确的视野。什么使AI的方法与众不同？

Eric Winer: Near AI is a fascinating company because the founders of Near actually started by building an AI company. They began as an AI company, trying to train models to write code around 2017-2018. It was a little early for that to be effective at the time.

埃里克·温纳（Eric Winer）：附近的AI是一家引人入胜的公司，因为附近的创始人实际上是从建立AI公司开始的。他们最初是一家AI公司，试图培训模型在2017 - 2018年左右编写代码。当时有生效还为时过早。

AGI has always been the vision here. Near AI is less a "crypto x AI" company than it is an AI company that's vision-aligned with the same purpose of Near. Near's vision is for users to own their own data, own their own decision making, not be beholden to corporate, financial, or governmental interests, and be able to decide where their money goes and how their decisions are made.

Agi一直是这里的愿景。 AI附近的是一家“加密X AI”公司，而是一家AI公司，其视觉与临近目的相同。近距离的愿景是让用户拥有自己的数据，拥有自己的决策，而不是对公司，财务或政府利益，并能够决定他们的钱去哪里以及如何做出决策。

Whether that's done via a blockchain or done via an AI model, you have to have both. If we don't have a user-owned AI effort going, then we'll lose the game because everybody will start using ChatGPT for everything in their world, and whatever ChatGPT uses for payments is whatever you'll use for payments. Then blockchain loses because you didn't win the AI battle – not the crypto x AI battle, but the real actual AI battle.

无论是通过区块链完成还是通过AI模型完成，您都必须同时拥有两者。如果我们没有用户拥有的AI努力，那么我们将失去游戏，因为每个人都会开始为世界上的所有事物使用Chatgpt，而ChatGpt用于付款的任何用途都是您将用于付款的任何东西。然后区块链失去了，因为您没有赢得AI战斗，而不是加密X AI战斗，而是真正的实际AI战斗。

Near AI does have interactions with blockchains, including Near, because we think that Near and other blockchains are a good way of doing things.

附近的AI确实与包括近距离的区块链有互动，因为我们认为附近和其他区块链是做事的好方法。