介紹Mike Hearn

本週，Coingeek Weekly Livestream歡迎一位特別的嘉賓Mike Hearn談論比特幣，付款和互聯網的未來。

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This week, the CoinGeek Weekly Livestream welcomed a special guest, Mike Hearn, to talk about Bitcoin, payments, and the future of the internet. Hearn was an early Bitcoin developer who personally interacted with Satoshi Nakamoto. Enjoy the insightful conversation between Hearn and Kurt Wuckert Jr. via the link below.

本週，Coingeek Weekly Livestream歡迎一位特別的嘉賓Mike Hearn談論比特幣，付款和互聯網的未來。赫恩（Hearn）是一個早期的比特幣開發人員，他與薩托島（Satoshi Nakamoto）進行了個人互動。通過下面的鏈接享受Hearn和Kurt Wuckert Jr.之間的有見地的對話。

Introducing Mike Hearn

介紹Mike Hearn

For Bitcoin OG’s, Mike Hearn needs no introduction. However, for those who may not be familiar with him, Wuckert asks him to introduce himself. Hearn explains he got involved with Bitcoin in 2009 due to a longstanding interest in internet money. After starting a Yahoo group about the subject, he discovered Ripple, which led him to Bitcoin.

對於比特幣OG，Mike Hearn不需要介紹。但是，對於那些可能不熟悉他的人，Wuckert要求他自我介紹。赫恩（Hearn）解釋說，由於對互聯網貨幣的長期興趣，他於2009年參與了比特幣。在開始了一個關於這個主題的雅虎小組之後，他發現了Ripple，這使他成為了比特幣。

Around this time, Hearn worked for Google (NASDAQ: GOOGL), debugging and fixing things when they broke. He says he eventually got tired of that and got involved with Gmail in bot detection and security. This is when he started working on Bitcoin on the side. While he eventually left the project and went to work for Corda on R3, he took some of what he had learned in Bitcoin and applied it in novel ways. These days, he runs his own software company and works part-time as a researcher.

大約在這個時候，Hearn為Google（NASDAQ：GOOGL）工作，當他們破產時調試和修理。他說，他最終對此感到厭倦，並參與了Gmail的機器人檢測和安全性。這是他開始從事比特幣工作的時候。當他最終離開該項目並在R3上為Corda工作時，他採用了他在比特幣中學到的一些知識，並以新穎的方式應用了它。如今，他經營著自己的軟件公司，並兼職擔任研究人員。

Hal Finney, Gavin Andresen, and the early days of Bitcoin

哈爾·芬尼（Hal Finney），加文·安德森（Gavin Andresen）以及比特幣的早期

Wuckert asks Hearn about Hal Finney and his interactions with him. Hearn says the legendary cypherpunk had created his own internet money, which differed from Bitcoin. He had emailed Finney before Bitcoin existed and talked to him a few times on forums and over the internet in the early days. However, he never met him in person.

Wuckert向Hearn詢問Hal Finney及其與他的互動。赫恩說，傳奇的Cypherpunk創造了自己的互聯網錢，這與比特幣不同。在比特幣存在之前，他已經通過電子郵件向Finney發了電子郵件，並在早期在論壇和互聯網上與他交談了幾次。但是，他從未親自見過他。

Wuckert mentions how some of Hearn’s questions to Satoshi Nakamoto were hugely insightful. He asks him if, looking back now, his view on the tech has changed. Hearn says the tech is still interesting, but he now has a greater appreciation for the social side of things. Solving the computer science problems is not enough. If he could go back, he would push back harder against some of the ideas he disagreed with. He also would not go with the term ‘Bitcoin Core.’ He also believes something like the Bitcoin Foundation could have worked out if handled differently.

Wuckert提到Hearn對Nakamoto的一些問題是如何非常有見地的。他問他是否現在回頭看，他對技術的看法發生了變化。赫恩說，這項技術仍然很有趣，但是他現在對事物的社會方面有了更大的讚賞。解決計算機科學問題是不夠的。如果他能回去，他會更加努力地反對他不同意的一些想法。他也不會使用“比特幣核心”一詞。他還認為，如果處理方式不同，比特幣基金會這樣的事情可能會解決。

Wuckert believes Gavin Andresen was the wrong personality type to be given the position he was. While he’s a friendly and likeable guy, he was too easy to bully and push around. He wonders if things could have turned out differently if another person had been in charge. “It’s difficult to say,” Hearn responds, saying he understands why Andresen added multiple people to the repository without much structure, but it’s not how he would have handled it.

Wuckert認為加文·安德森（Gavin Andresen）是錯誤的人格類型。雖然他是一個友好而討人喜歡的人，但他太容易欺負了，四處推動。他想知道，如果另一個人負責，情況是否會有所不同。赫恩回答說：“這很難說。

Satoshi Nakamoto and Hearn’s interactions with him

Satoshi Nakamoto和Hearn與他的互動

Wuckert points out that while many people view Nakamoto as a gold bug or Hayek fan, he sees him as interested in payments and novel uses for the technology. He even insinuated a bigger thing to come, and he wonders if Hearn might have any idea what it was. He replies that he never mentioned anything explicitly but was always happy to explain how Bitcoin could be used for other people’s ideas.

Wuckert指出，儘管許多人將Nakamoto視為金蟲或Hayek的粉絲，但他認為他對這項技術的付款和新穎用途感興趣。他甚至暗示了一件更大的事情，他想知道赫恩是否知道那是什麼。他回答說，他從未明確提及任何事情，但總是很樂意解釋如何將比特幣用於別人的想法。

While he is no longer involved in Bitcoin and largely disconnected when he decided he was done, Hearn is aware of the broad outlines of what’s going on. For example, he knows what BCH and BSV are. However, he no longer follows Bitcoin closely.

雖然他不再參與比特幣，並且在決定自己完成後在很大程度上斷開了連接，但赫恩知道發生了什麼事的廣泛輪廓。例如，他知道BCH和BSV是什麼。但是，他不再密切關注比特幣。

The new horizon and what the next decade looks like

新的地平線和接下來的十年的樣子

Now that they’ve covered the past, Wuckert wants to know what the future might look like from Hearn’s point of view. Where is this all going? What does the next decade look like?

現在他們已經涵蓋了過去，Wuckert想知道從Hearn的角度來看未來的情況。這一切都在哪裡？接下來的十年是什麼樣的？

Hearn answers without hesitation: LLMs and artificial intelligence (AI) are the big trends, and while they’re capable of great things, they will change how the internet works. Currently, content creators and search engines are incentivized by the potential to earn money from ads. However, if LLMs and AI agents search for people, those ads will no longer be served, so the incentive to create the content will not be there. As a result, AI apps, which depend on said content, will cease to be useful.

Hearn毫不猶豫地回答：LLMS和人工智能（AI）是很大的趨勢，儘管它們有能力進行偉大的事情，但它們將改變互聯網的運作方式。目前，內容創建者和搜索引擎受到從廣告中賺錢的潛力激勵。但是，如果LLMS和AI代理搜尋人員，這些廣告將不再提供，因此創建內容的動機將不存在。結果，取決於上述內容的AI應用程序將不再有用。

One potential solution is for AI agents to cut content creators in on the action when they use their content for an answer. Micropayments at scale would be required for this to work, and the web could revert to what it once was: basic text and images. Agents would gather this information, serve it up, and pay a tiny payment to the webmaster. In a sense, the internet would come full circle and return to its roots.

一種潛在的解決方案是讓AI代理使用內容創建內容的內容來解決方案。這需要大規模的微付款才能工作，並且網絡可以恢復為曾經的內容：基本文本和圖像。代理商將收集此信息，提供這些信息，並向網站管理員支付一小筆付款。從某種意義上說，互聯網將圓滿圈子並恢復其根源。

Hearn says he would be interested in integrating micropayments into HTTP. He mentions HTTP 402 and how it enables payments to access resources but how

赫恩說，他將有興趣將微付款集成到HTTP中。他提到HTTP 402及其如何使付款能夠訪問資源，但如何