比特币与 Avik Roy 一起重新回到选票上

阿维克·罗伊 (Avik Roy) 是平等机会研究基金会智囊团主席兼《福布斯》政策编辑。在本次采访中，我们讨论了特朗普为何支持比特币和加密货币、不断增长的比特币选民基础的力量，以及即将与监管机构的斗争。

Avik Roy is president of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (FREOPP) and a policy editor at Forbes. He is also a widely respected expert on public policy, economics, and health care. In this interview, we discuss why Trump is supporting Bitcoin and crypto, the power of the growing Bitcoin voter base, and the coming fight with regulators.

阿维克·罗伊 (Avik Roy) 是平等机会研究基金会 (FREOPP) 的主席，也是《福布斯》的政策编辑。他也是公共政策、经济和医疗保健领域广受尊敬的专家。在这次采访中，我们讨论了特朗普为什么支持比特币和加密货币、不断增长的比特币选民基础的力量，以及即将到来的与监管机构的斗争。

Topics Covered:

涵盖的主题：

* How Trump’s support for Bitcoin and crypto came about.

* 特朗普对比特币和加密货币的支持是如何产生的。

* The role of the growing Bitcoin voter base in influencing politicians.

* 不断增长的比特币选民基础在影响政客方面的作用。

* Why regulators are coming after crypto and how the industry should respond.

* 监管机构为何关注加密货币以及行业应如何应对。

* The importance of sound money and how Bitcoin fits into the picture.

* 健全货币的重要性以及比特币如何融入其中。

* Avik’s thoughts on the future of Bitcoin and crypto regulation.

* Avik 对比特币和加密货币监管未来的想法。

* And much more!

* 以及更多！

Enjoy the interview below:

请欣赏以下采访：

Avik, welcome back to the show.

艾维克，欢迎回到节目。

Avik Roy

艾维克·罗伊

Great to be back.

很高兴回来。

Peter McCormack

彼得·麦科马克

Last time you were on the show, we talked about the U.S. fiscal problems and how Bitcoin might play a role in solving them. And you wrote an interesting piece for National Affairs on this topic, which I'll link to in the show notes. But since then, something even more interesting has happened. Former President Trump has come out in support of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies at the Libertarian Party convention in Reno, Nevada. And I wanted to get your thoughts on this and how it might impact the future of crypto regulation.

上次您参加节目时，我们讨论了美国的财政问题以及比特币如何在解决这些问题中发挥作用。您为《国家事务》撰写了一篇关于这个主题的有趣文章，我将在演出笔记中链接到该文章。但从那时起，更有趣的事情发生了。前总统特朗普在内华达州里诺举行的自由党大会上公开支持比特币和加密货币。我想了解您对此的想法以及它可能如何影响加密货币监管的未来。

Avik Roy

艾维克·罗伊

Yeah, I mean, this was a surprising development, but I think it's a very good thing. And I think it's part of a broader trend that we're seeing in the Republican Party, which is a growing openness to cryptocurrencies and a recognition that they could be a force for good in the economy.

是的，我的意思是，这是一个令人惊讶的发展，但我认为这是一件非常好的事情。我认为这是我们在共和党中看到的更广泛趋势的一部分，即对加密货币越来越开放，并认识到它们可以成为经济中的一股积极力量。

Now, part of this is being driven by the fact that the Biden administration and the Democrats in Congress are being so hostile to cryptocurrencies. And I think Republicans are seeing an opportunity to peel off moderate voters who might be turned off by the Democrats' heavy handed approach.

现在，部分原因是拜登政府和国会民主党对加密货币抱有敌意。我认为共和党人看到了一个机会，可以摆脱那些可能因民主党的高压手段而感到厌烦的温和派选民。

But I also think there's a genuine enthusiasm among Republicans for cryptocurrencies. And it's being driven by a number of factors, including the poor performance of the stock market, which is leading people to look for alternative investments. And the rising inflation, which is making people realize that we need to get sound money back on the table.

但我也认为共和党人对加密货币抱有真正的热情。这是由多种因素推动的，其中包括股市表现不佳，这导致人们寻找另类投资。不断上升的通货膨胀让人们意识到我们需要让稳健的货币重新回到桌面上。

And I think Trump's endorsement of cryptocurrencies is a sign of this growing support within the Republican Party. And it could have a major impact on the future of crypto regulation.

我认为特朗普对加密货币的认可是共和党内部支持不断增长的标志。它可能会对加密货币监管的未来产生重大影响。

Peter McCormack

彼得·麦科马克

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because it feels like there's a narrative being pushed by some in the media that Trump's support for Bitcoin is somehow performative or not genuine. And I find this narrative quite strange because it's clear that throughout his presidency, Trump was always interested in learning more about Bitcoin. And in fact, he met with crypto influencers like Brock Pierce and Dave Portnoy at the White House to discuss crypto regulation. And towards the end of his presidency, he appointed Hester Peirce, who's known as "Crypto Mom," to lead the SEC. So it feels like there's a genuine interest there from Trump. And I think it's also clear that his support for Bitcoin is resonating with the crowd at the Libertarian Party convention. I mean, the crowd went wild when he mentioned Bitcoin. And this feels like something that could be a major issue in the upcoming presidential election.

是的，我的意思是，这很有趣，因为感觉媒体中的一些人在推动一种说法，即特朗普对比特币的支持在某种程度上是表演性的，或者不是真诚的。我觉得这种说法很奇怪，因为很明显，在特朗普的整个总统任期内，他总是对了解更多关于比特币的事情感兴趣。事实上，他在白宫会见了 Brock Pierce 和 Dave Portnoy 等加密货币影响者，讨论加密货币监管。在总统任期即将结束时，他任命了被称为“加密货币妈妈”的海丝特·皮尔斯 (Hester Peirce) 来领导 SEC。所以感觉特朗普确实对此感兴趣。我认为很明显，他对比特币的支持在自由党大会上引起了人群的共鸣。我的意思是，当他提到比特币时，人群变得疯狂。这感觉可能是即将到来的总统选举中的一个主要问题。

Avik Roy

艾维克·罗伊

Yeah, I agree. And I think the narrative that Trump's support for Bitcoin is performative is being pushed by people who don't understand cryptocurrencies or who are hostile to them. And they're trying to downplay the significance of Trump's endorsement.

是的，我同意。我认为特朗普对比特币的支持是表演性的说法是由那些不了解加密货币或敌视加密货币的人推动的。他们试图淡化特朗普支持的重要性。

But the fact is, Trump is a very savvy politician. And he knows which way the wind is blowing. And he can see that there's a lot of enthusiasm for cryptocurrencies among the Republican base. And I think he's genuinely interested in learning more about them. And he's also interested in using them as a wedge issue against the Biden administration and the Democrats.

但事实是，特朗普是一位非常精明的政治家。他知道风向往哪个方向吹。他可以看到共和党选民对加密货币抱有很大的热情。我认为他真的有兴趣更多地了解它们。他也有兴趣利用它们作为对抗拜登政府和民主党的楔子。

And I think his support for Bitcoin could have a major impact on the upcoming presidential election. And it could also force the Biden administration to change its tune on cryptocurrencies.

我认为他对比特币的支持可能会对即将到来的总统选举产生重大影响。它还可能迫使拜登政府改变对加密货币的态度。

Peter McCormack

彼得·麦科马克

Yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out, especially with the upcoming presidential election. But pivoting slightly, I wanted to ask you about the growing power of the Bitcoin voter. And we've seen evidence of this in the recent midterm elections, where candidates who are pro Bitcoin or at least crypto curious have done well at the polls. And I'm thinking specifically of candidates like J.D. Vance in Ohio and Blake Masters in Arizona. And both of these candidates have spoken out in favor of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. And I'm wondering if you think this trend will continue and how

是的，我的意思是，看看事情如何发展将会很有趣，尤其是在即将到来的总统选举的情况下。但稍微转向一下，我想问一下比特币选民日益增长的力量。我们在最近的中期选举中看到了这方面的证据，支持比特币或至少对加密货币感兴趣的候选人在民意调查中表现出色。我特别想到俄亥俄州的 JD Vance 和亚利桑那州的 Blake Masters 等候选人。这两位候选人都公开表示支持比特币和加密货币。我想知道您是否认为这种趋势会持续下去以及如何持续下去