隨著無數加密項目尷尬地向AI樞轉，埃里克·溫伯（Eric Winer）一直在建造橋樑已有十多年了

在無數的加密項目尷尬地轉向人工智能的時候

At a time when countless crypto projects are awkwardly pivoting toward artificial intelligence, Eric Winer has spent over a decade building bridges between cutting-edge technology and everyday users. Now, as CTO of NEAR AI, he's pursuing a vision where AI agents negotiate, communicate and transact on our behalf – a vision that could fundamentally reshape how we interact with the digital world.

在無數的加密項目尷尬地轉向人工智能的時候，埃里克·溫伯（Eric Winer）花了十年的時間在尖端技術和日常用戶之間建造橋樑。現在，作為AI附近的首席技術官，他正在追求一個願景，AI代理代表我們代表我們進行談判，交流和交易 - 這種願景可以從根本上重塑我們與數字世界的互動方式。

Winer speaks with the measured enthusiasm of someone who has repeatedly been early to technological revolutions. Having joined the Winklevoss twins as Gemini's first engineer in 2013 and helped launch one of the earliest NFT marketplaces before the term “NFT” became commonplace, he now confronts what may be his most ambitious challenge: creating a decentralized ecosystem of AI agents that preserves user sovereignty in an increasingly AI-mediated future.

釀酒師以一再對技術革命的早期進行的衡量熱情講話。他在2013年加入Winklevoss雙胞胎作為雙子座的第一任工程師，並在“ NFT”一詞變得司空見慣之前幫助推出了最早的NFT市場之一，他現在面對了他最雄心勃勃的挑戰：創建AI代理的分散生態系統，以維持越來越多的AI ai ei ei ei ei-ei-Med Ideced的未來。

Eric Winer is a speaker at Consensus 2025. This interview has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

埃里克·溫伯（Eric Winer）是2025年共識的發言人。這次採訪經過了凝結和輕微的編輯，以清晰地進行。

CoinDesk: You've been in crypto for over a decade now. How did that journey lead you to focusing on AI?

COINDESK：您已經在加密貨幣中已經有十多年了。這段旅程是如何導致您專注於AI的？

Eric Winer: I've been in the crypto world for 11 years now. Eleven years ago I met the Winklevoss twins through mutual acquaintances. They hired me as the first engineer at Gemini, which was the first regulated Bitcoin exchange in America at the time. Our mission from the CEO was to take this fantastic blockchain technology (really just Bitcoin at the time) and apply some grown-up engineering around it so that it could be effectively adopted by institutions, governments, and people broadly.

埃里克·溫納（Eric Winer）：我在加密貨幣世界已經有11年了。十一年前，我通過相互熟人遇到了Winklevoss雙胞胎。他們聘請了我擔任雙子座的第一任工程師，這是當時美國第一次受監管的比特幣交易所。首席執行官我們的任務是採用這種出色的區塊鏈技術（當時實際上只是比特幣），並在其周圍應用一些成年工程，以便該機構，政府和人員可以有效地採用它。

Back in 2013-2014, Coinbase was around, but it was kind of a rinky-dink Silicon Valley startup at a time before there was really much of a fintech culture even in California. So it wasn't particularly well-built. We were building Gemini in New York City with people who knew how money worked and trying to build not just for cryptography enthusiasts, but for the masses.

早在2013 - 2014年，Coinbase就在附近，但在一次確實有很多金融科技文化的時候，這是一家富有的矽谷初創公司。因此，它不是特別構建的。我們正在紐約市建立雙子座，他們知道錢是如何工作的，不僅是為加密愛好者而努力，還為群眾建造。

I've always been trying to get blockchain technology over the adoption barrier to reach a place where people would be using it, perhaps under the hood, to make the world more efficient and give people more sovereignty, even if they don't know it.

我一直在試圖在採用障礙物上獲得區塊鏈技術，以達到人們將使用它（也許是在引擎蓋下）來提高世界效率並為人們提供更高主權的地方，即使他們不知道它。

CoinDesk: And that led you to NFTs before most people had even heard the term, right?

Coindesk：這使您在大多數人甚至聽到這個詞之前就進入了NFT，對嗎？

Eric Winer: Within Gemini, we acquired a company called Nifty Gateway, which was basically the third NFT startup after OpenSea and CryptoKitties. We launched what was the first NFT marketplace targeted at "normies" in March 2020. It ended up growing by about 1000% month over month for a few months, going from selling a thousand dollars of NFTs to selling a hundred million dollars of NFTs in a day.

埃里克·溫納（Eric Winer）：在雙子座內，我們收購了一家名為Nifty Gateway的公司，這基本上是僅次於Opensea和Cryptokitties的第三家NFT初創公司。我們在2020年3月推出了針對“規範”的第一個NFT市場。幾個月以來，它的月份增長了約1000％，從出售一千美元的NFT到每天出售一億美元的NFT。

This exposed a lot of people to the world of collectibles and art online, right in the middle of the pandemic. From there they got bit by the NFT bug and then by the crypto bug, bringing them into the blockchain ecosystem as a whole.

這使很多人接觸到大流行中心的收藏品和藝術世界。從那裡開始，他們被NFT錯誤咬傷了，然後被加密錯誤帶入了整個區塊鏈生態系統。

Personally, I think the promise of NFTs got unfortunately co-opted by the crypto and speculation crowd. Nifty Gateway never used the term "NFT" on its website or in its materials when it launched. We fought against that even becoming what it was called. NFT is just a thing, but online. We were selling art, selling tickets. Having to assign a technical moniker and put that into the public, I think, was actually counterproductive at the end of the day.

就個人而言，我認為不幸的是，NFT的承諾得到了加密貨幣和投機群眾的選擇。 Nifty Gateway在啟動時從未在其網站或材料上使用“ NFT”一詞。我們與之抗爭，甚至成為所謂的。 NFT只是一回事，但是在線。我們在賣藝術品，出售門票。我認為，必須分配一個技術綽號並將其投入公眾，實際上在一天結束時反應適得其反。

CoinDesk: Many crypto projects seem to be awkwardly pivoting toward AI without a clear vision. What makes NEAR AI's approach different?

Coindesk：許多加密項目似乎尷尬地向AI旋轉，沒有明確的視野。什麼使AI的方法與眾不同？

Eric Winer: Near AI is a fascinating company because the founders of Near actually started by building an AI company. They began as an AI company, trying to train models to write code around 2017-2018. It was a little early for that to be effective at the time.

埃里克·溫納（Eric Winer）：附近的AI是一家引人入勝的公司，因為附近的創始人實際上是從建立AI公司開始的。他們最初是一家AI公司，試圖培訓模型在2017 - 2018年左右編寫代碼。當時有生效還為時過早。

AGI has always been the vision here. Near AI is less a "crypto x AI" company than it is an AI company that's vision-aligned with the same purpose of Near. Near's vision is for users to own their own data, own their own decision making, not be beholden to corporate, financial, or governmental interests, and be able to decide where their money goes and how their decisions are made.

Agi一直是這裡的願景。 AI附近的是一家“加密X AI”公司，而是一家AI公司，其視覺與臨近目的相同。近距離的願景是讓用戶擁有自己的數據，擁有自己的決策，而不是對公司，財務或政府利益，並能夠決定他們的錢去哪里以及如何做出決策。

Whether that's done via a blockchain or done via an AI model, you have to have both. If we don't have a user-owned AI effort going, then we'll lose the game because everybody will start using ChatGPT for everything in their world, and whatever ChatGPT uses for payments is whatever you'll use for payments. Then blockchain loses because you didn't win the AI battle – not the crypto x AI battle, but the real actual AI battle.

無論是通過區塊鏈完成還是通過AI模型完成，您都必須同時擁有兩者。如果我們沒有用戶擁有的AI努力，那麼我們將失去遊戲，因為每個人都會開始為世界上的所有事物使用Chatgpt，而ChatGpt用於付款的任何用途都是您將用於付款的任何東西。然后區塊鏈失去了，因為您沒有贏得AI戰鬥，而不是加密X AI戰鬥，而是真正的實際AI戰鬥。

Near AI does have interactions with blockchains, including Near, because we think that Near and other blockchains are a good way of doing things.

附近的AI確實與包括近距離的區塊鏈有互動，因為我們認為附近和其他區塊鍊是做事的好方法。